Yes, you can proceed with VP-147 lien sale even if certified mail returns as "undeliverable," "attempted - not known," or "refused." Nevada law requires you to attempt proper notification at the DMV-registered address, but you're not responsible if the owner moved without updating their address or refuses to accept the letter. The key is documenting your good-faith notification attempt.

This is the second most discussed lien sale question on automotive forums and r/legaladvice. Tow operators panic when certified mail comes back weeks after sending, thinking the entire lien sale process must start over. That's not correct. What matters is that you sent notification to the correct address on file with Nevada DMV at the time you mailed it.

📋 How to Document Undeliverable Certified Mail for VP-147:

• Keep the returned envelope: The envelope with USPS markings showing "undeliverable," "moved - no forwarding address," "refused," or "unclaimed" is your proof of notification attempt
• Keep the certified mail receipt: The green receipt showing you sent certified mail on [date] to [address from DMV records]
• Make copies for your VP-147 packet: Include copies of both the receipt and the returned envelope with your notarized VP-147 when submitting to auction or DMV
• Note the return date on your VP-147: In the notification section, write "Certified mail sent [date], returned undeliverable [date] - proof attached"

⚠️ Critical Distinction - Undeliverable vs. Never Sent: Nevada courts and DMV distinguish between "mail returned undeliverable" (proper notification attempt) and "mail never sent" (no notification attempt). If you skip certified mail entirely and claim the owner "couldn't be found," your VP-147 will be rejected and you could face liability for wrongful sale. But if you can prove you sent certified mail to the DMV-registered address and USPS returned it undeliverable, you've met Nevada's notification requirement.

💡 The 30-Day Waiting Period Starts When You Mail It: Confusion exists about when the clock starts. The 30-day waiting period begins on the date you send certified mail, not when it's delivered or returned. Example: You mail certified letters on May 1st to owner and lienholder. Owner's letter is delivered May 4th (signed green card returned). Lienholder's letter returns undeliverable May 8th. You can still proceed with lien sale on June 1st (30 days after May 1st mailing date) because you attempted notification to both parties.

🏢 Real-World Example from Las Vegas Tow Yard: Tow company in Boca Park area towed abandoned vehicle from apartment complex. DMV records showed owner at an address in Henderson. Certified mail sent September 1st, returned "moved - no forwarding address" September 9th. Tow company kept the returned envelope, waited until October 2nd (31 days after mailing), then had VP-147 notarized at their facility. Auction accepted the vehicle because notification attempt was properly documented. The vehicle sold, title transferred to buyer with no issues.

⚠️ When Undeliverable Mail Becomes a Problem: If certified mail to the lienholder (bank) returns undeliverable AND you cannot locate the bank through research (merger, acquisition, failure), consult an attorney before proceeding. While owner notification can be satisfied with undeliverable mail, lienholder notification may require additional steps if the lien is recent and valuable.

Related Questions

• Do I need to notify both the owner AND the lienholder for VP-147?
• After lien sale, do I owe excess auction money to the owner or bank?
• How many certified letters do I actually need to send for Nevada VP-147?

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Yes, event venues can legally refuse to accept notarizations from notaries outside their preferred list if they have that clause in their venue rental agreement or policies. As private property owners, venues have the right to set contractual requirements affecting how documents are processed. However, many venues do this to maintain administrative control and reduce liability, not because outside notaries are legally invalid.

Why Venues Impose Restrictions:

• Control over document chain-of-custody
• Assurance that notarizations meet specific lender or insurance requirements
• Coordination with their escrow or legal team
• Risk mitigation (perceived, not always valid)

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• Request venue approval in writing for your outside notary before scheduling
• Provide credentials showing your mobile notary's commission status and insurance
• Explain the cost savings or scheduling flexibility of mobile notaries
• Ask for exception clauses in the contract before signing
• Propose that the venue's preferred notary attend at a specific time/location if acceptable

⚠️ Key Point:

Your outside mobile notary is legally valid in Nevada regardless of venue preference. Their refusal is contractual, not legal. If notarization terms weren't disclosed before signing, communicate early to resolve conflicts. Professional mobile notaries in Durango and Summerlin can often coordinate with venue staff to facilitate acceptance or work around restrictions.

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• Can Vendors Get Event Contracts Notarized After Signing if They Forgot Originally?
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Yes. Nevada law (NRS 108.270) requires you to send certified mail, return receipt requested, to both the registered owner AND all lienholders shown on the DMV title record. Missing either notification invalidates your entire VP-147 lien sale process, even if you properly notified the owner. This is the number one reason auction houses reject VP-147 submissions from tow operators.

The confusion is understandable. A former tow operator explains on automotive forums: "Tow company has to send 3 certified letters to both the titled owner and the lien holder over about 6 week period before they can lien sale the vehicle." But what happens when the lienholder is a bank that merged, went out of business, or has an outdated address on the DMV record?

📋 Nevada's Dual Notification Requirement Explained:

• Registered owner notification: Required because they own the vehicle subject to the lien. Must use address from DMV registration records, even if you know it's outdated
• Lienholder notification: Required because they have a secured interest in the vehicle. The lender loaned money against the vehicle and has first rights to any sale proceeds
• Multiple lienholders: If DMV records show two lienholders (first lien and second lien), you must notify both separately
• Timing: Send both certified letters on the same day; the 30-day waiting period runs from the date of mailing

⚠️ What If You Can't Find Current Lienholder Information? If the lienholder on DMV records is a bank that no longer exists (merged, acquired, or failed), you have several options:

• Research the successor bank: Wells Fargo acquired Wachovia, Chase acquired WaMu, etc. Send certified mail to the current entity at their registered agent address
• Contact Nevada DMV Title Research: They can sometimes provide updated lienholder contact information for lien sale purposes ($15 title search fee)
• Document your good-faith effort: Keep records of your research attempts (internet searches, phone calls to bank customer service, successor bank inquiries). If certified mail returns undeliverable, this documentation supports your VP-147
• Consider legal consultation: For high-value vehicles or complex lien situations, consult an attorney before proceeding with lien sale. Wrongful sale to a vehicle with valid lien = potential lawsuit

💡 The Most Common Mistake: Tow operators send certified mail only to the registered owner, assuming the bank "knows" the vehicle was towed because the owner stopped making payments. Wrong. The lienholder must receive independent notification of the impending lien sale. Without proof of certified mail to the lienholder (green return receipt or returned undeliverable envelope), your notarized VP-147 affidavit will be rejected by Pahrump auctions, Copart, IAA, and DMV during title transfer processing.

🏢 We provide on-site VP-147 notarization at tow yards throughout Aliante, North Las Vegas, and Clark County. During your notarization appointment, we can review your certified mail documentation to ensure both owner and lienholder notifications are properly documented before you sign the affidavit under oath.

Related Questions

• What if certified mail comes back undeliverable or refused? Can I still do lien sale?
• After lien sale, do I owe the owner or bank any excess money from the auction?
• Who at my tow company can sign VP-147? Manager or owner only?